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First draft comments

I put in a translation of (the first bit just now) of the Swedish PP manifesto - it's just to get something to work with for now. There have been some controversies around version 3.1 of the PPSE manifesto that i thought I'd mention (Teirdes 22:04, 30 March 2008 (CEST)):

  • Respect for citizens
    • What do we mean by respect for citizens? Is the term too ambiguous? What politician or political party would claim not to respect the citizens and how do we make sure that we point out that we're different?
    • The European Convention and the UN declaration of Human Rights have both previously been shown not to be a sufficient protection against terrorism laws etc. Do they give us enough credibility in our citizens' freedoms claim? Note: Geneva convention is also, apparently, not strong enough.
  • Privacy issues
    • If governments and companies work according to a transparency model, how far can that transparency go before it invades on privacy? For example: open criminal registers, or court verdicts online, may put criminals in a tricky situation even after they've served their term and earned a "second chance" != not good for privacy.

A developing approach for Pirate Manifesto

  • I replaced the text Teirdes placed, with the link to the very document she was pasting, and also linked some parts of PIRATA Statute; if you, folks from each pirate parties, do the same and link to translated-to-english documents which reflect your parties' ideology, it would become useful to know where do we fully agree and where do we find nuances, in order to use that information to make easier the Manifesto's development Aiarakoa 20:50, 31 March 2008 (CEST)
  • What I proposed to Teirdes is to following the sculpturing/code developing process -which we followed in PIRATA both with PIRATA Statute and with PIRATA rules-: Aiarakoa 20:50, 31 March 2008 (CEST)
    • First, we would abstract what we actually expect from the manifesto, the essential ideas we want to transmit
    • Then, we would add some complexity layers until we reach a consistent structure for the text -following a modular, object-oriented philosophy-
    • Later, we would -sequentially (all of us, from first to last module) or independently (each representatives assuming the responsibility of proposing complexity layers to one single module)- add complexity layers to the draft.
    • Finally, we would rewrite the resulting draft in a literary manner, thus having what we would aspire to be found as a comprensible, well-formed, nicely written, faithful to PPI spirit draft

A may-be example

  • First: determining the essentials of the Manifesto -why did we create the pirate parties, which are not the core issues, but the very foundational ideas (where the issues come from)-
  • Next: making evident in the draft the separation between core issues and the rest of issues, by declaring the way each type of issues would be treated; this would be a first main structure (core & non-core issues)
  • Later: declaring the main core issues categories -being careful, as not all pirate parties may have the same core issues, so all involved pirate parties should feel their core issues included in such categories- as the modules of the Manifesto; for instance, rights and liberties -freedom of speech, privacy, etc-, copyright -authors right, filesharing, etc-, patents system -what may be patentable and what not, patenting procedures and terms, etc-, and information infraestructures -net neutrality, etc-; all those categories -or the ones resulting from the process- together with the non-core issues category
  • After that: developing each module to give them the proper complexity and deepness, giving an almost done first draft
  • Finally: embellish the text -using different words with the same meaning, though more literary, more charming, more captivating-, what would give us finally the first draft